Compiled Excerpts From Marc Maron’s Podcast, Episodes 1609 and 1610
Saturday
Out here, it’s very trying and still quite awful and harrowing. And not only the possibility of more fires, but just the, the horrendous loss of so many people here.
It's almost unfathomable. I – you know, I've talked to a lot of people, a lot of people that know people that lost everything. A few people that have lost everything, try to help where I can, will continue to do that. And I’m, I’m grateful. I am, I'm lucky. I’m okay. I’m safe. My house is fine. It's still scary, but I'm okay. And my heart goes out to everybody that has experienced tremendous loss here, because this affects everyone. You know, obviously, the people that lost everything. It’s, it’s profoundly affected and destroyed their lives.
But for everybody else here, it, it’s a very interesting thing about – what do you want, what do you want to call it? Catastrophe. Overwhelming environmental disaster. Just anything where there's massive loss and a massive collective feeling of powerlessness in the face of what caused that loss. It's just fucking crazy.
And look, I was, I was in New York on 9/11. I remember that day very clearly. How could you ever forget it? I woke up that morning, I turned on my AOL homepage, it showed one tower standing, and I didn't know what to make of it. I thought, is this a joke? Is this a gag? And I went up to my roof and I saw the smoke at the end of Manhattan. It was a crisp, clear day. Nothing was going on anywhere. Everything had been grounded. No cars in the street, no planes in the air. And I went back down to my house and I turned on the TV and saw the second tower fall. And then I went back on the roof, and I was like, “oh, my fucking God.” And in that moment where your brain is trying to understand, or comprehend or wrap your perception around what is happening, that is when the massive trauma kind of sets in – that moment of realization of like, fuck, nothing will ever be the same again.
All those lives lost in Manhattan – just incapacitated – was fucking horrendous. And I stayed, and my girlfriend at the time, who had been getting off the train downtown a few blocks from the towers, got outta the subway and was in a storm of ash, walked 40 blocks uptown, packed her bags, and left New York. Only came back to leave again.
That's what got us out here. That's what got me to LA in the first place. I stayed for quite a bit longer. For months, maybe even close to a year. And she just left because she couldn’t – she was totally incapacitated by the trauma of it.
But I stayed, and I – we performed a few weeks after, and New York – just everywhere, was plastered with the faces of missing people. People were walking in a, in a state that was almost like an emotional zombie state. All you know, is to sort of try to get back to your routines, but nobody was normal for years. And you could smell it for – for months and months. And, you know, emotions were high. And I felt some of that same energy here over the last few days, kind of PTSD that happens almost immediately.
The trauma happens.
And then you're walking in this zone of, of disbelief and, and a sort of kind of temporary emotional annihilation amidst all this destruction out here.
And people who aren't affected by it directly. You know, they try to – you go on with your life, but it was menacing. See, I, I talked about what was going on on Monday, and my feelings of concern and, and sadness and fear, and just the kind of emotional reaction is such tremendous loss on behalf of so many people. And, and my thought is a natural thought was like, “you know, it’s, it’s time to get out.”
And it's interesting why, you know, what you're gonna do in your mind if you're lucky enough to, at this point anyways, remain untouched physically or property wise is to, you know, fight or flight and all the logic in terms of, sure, I love Los Angeles as much as the next guy. I didn’t grow up here, but I’ve certainly spent a lot of time here, and I love my house, and there’s a lot of great things about Southern California. But I got some – a couple of odd, not odd responses – but just from people who were like, “you know, how could you just say you're gonna leave?” I mean, we gotta, we gotta fight – we gotta rebuild better than ever. We gotta fight for our city. You gotta stay and fight the fight –
Against what?
Against what? What are you gonna fight? The wind? You’re gonna fight the erratic wind? You’re gonna, you know, kind of like set a timeline for every year that these things might happen. How are you gonna fight the wind? How are you gonna fight the drought if nobody’s gonna get collectively hip to the fact that we might be past the point of no return with climate change?
And so then it’s just a matter of adapting. So you know this isn’t gonna get better. And so how many times a year do you see, you know, the weather app on your phone? It says,”gusts of wind.” Are you gonna be like, fuck, I gotta get back on the fire app. I’m still on the fire app. There’s no way to get off it now. You know, the last few days have been just horrible. And they were forecasting 60 to 75-mile-an-hour winds. So then you just sit there and, and see if it gets close again, and get ready. Get the cat boxes open. Get your go bags together, make sure your kids know what’s up. Just this tentative vibe of, it’s coming. It’s coming.
And these firefighters out here are fucking astounding, amazing fucking real goddamn heroes. These guys and gals, men and women, all of them from all around the world coming together to try to manage this thing. And neither one of these fires are even half contained.
Fight or flight, man, you know, what's the fight? How do you win? Or how do you survive?
Sunday
I’m recording this on Sunday. I am in Denver, Colorado, so it’s not Monday morning, but I know it is for most of you. And I know for at least 74,999,166 of you, this is gonna be a horrible day, and it’s gonna be a horrible day for America. And it will go down in history as one of the worst days of this country, because after today, we’re not really gonna know the nature of our country.
I don’t know what happens now. And I’m as scared as you are. And just know that they, they love it. They love our fear. They want us to be subjugated by all of their actions, policies, points of view, to push back on the marginalized populations of our, of our country with no social reprisal. Look, I'm all about free speech, but just know that it’s now conditional to abide by their rules, which I think mostly will be, “shut the fuck up.”
Equal rights are going to be on the back burner, if ever coming back. I don’t know, the living wage also on the back burner. Will it ever happen? I don’t know healthcare for all. Will that ever happen? I don’t know the idea of sustainability being an important project for the human species. I don’t know where that is either.
They finally won the war against tolerance and now we gotta live with it.
But again, I don’t think that number is unsubstantial. I mean, when you think about the electoral map, which is oddly a lot like the Watch Duty app that I've been tracking to watch fires, you know – red is a problem, all shades of it. It’s a problem because despite what anybody thinks, it was always sort of the loophole of democracy, that it was possible that you could freely elect a fascist that will end it.
And, you know, I don’t know. The nature of democracy as a government body seems to be very codependent – suffers the same problem as any codependent situation. You know, you’ve, you’ve got this idea, this body, this entity that wants everyone to be treated equally, that wants everybody to, to be on the same level. That it’s a real people-pleasing idea. And people pleasers are vulnerable to major assholes and profound gaslighting.
So here we sit at the precipice of an authoritarian America, where people will be nominated and put in positions of power where they have no capability of doing it correctly or don’t know the job primarily. So the autocrat at the top of the pyramid has all the say in all the power. He’s terrorized his stooges and the Senate and Congress and in business to fear for their own lives, if not their own careers and politics if they do not do what he does. And that fundamentally, I don’t know, it doesn’t sound like democracy.
I’m not trying to bum you out, but this is where we are today. And I don’t – look, my fears are, are the same of many, as many of yours. You know, I mean, I know some people in their denial or in their need to adapt, they’re like, “well, we’ll see what happens.” Yeah, we will, but – I don’t, I don’t – it’s not gonna be good.
And the dread and isolation and feelings of despair are real. And again, they love it. This is a trolling population of autodidactic meatheads with heads full of garbage and bits and pieces that enable them to bully and just gloat and find a real joy in that. Somehow or another, their disposition, which is basically built on the idea that empathy is for suckers and everyone’s on their own, and you just gotta make do. And a lot of people that I thought were once, you know, relatively decent people have locked into this political movement as a way to make their personal fortunes and continue their grift.
And I don’t know – I – it’s not that I assumed that humans were all innately good, but it's sort of interesting to watch the ones that you thought were somewhat well balanced, you know, buckle for their own in reasons.
You know, I flew out of a fire zone into a blizzard, and the dread of waiting for fire day to day, that – that feeling of a lack of control, a powerlessness in the face of natural disaster is, is a lot to live with. And then I came out here to Denver and did a couple of amazing shows, great people out here in Boulder and in Fort Collins. We really had a good time. Me and Makowski did some great sets and, and, you know, did what we could to ease the stress. But there was a blizzard and that feeling of driving on ice. Driving on ice in a, you know, a car that isn’t an all-wheel drive. And that weird tension where you just don’t know when the car’s just gonna start sliding without you. That fear of powerlessness. I guess it was a primer, is that the word I wanted? It was priming me for what's gonna happen today and what it’s gonna feel like for God knows how long.
But again, the desire to isolate and lose yourself in your phone and losing to yourself in, in baskingin, you know, frightening information, or information that’s bullshit.
I'm not suggesting, you know, denial, but I am suggesting that somehow or another we try to keep our fucking heads together. I mean, on some level, a little bit of denial is necessary. Just so you don’t lose your fucking mind. You know, maybe don’t look at your phone right when you wake up in the morning. Give it a few hours, take a breath, have a nice breakfast, and then, you know, blow your brains out with the fucking phone – because it’s gonna be a shit show. It’s gonna be just like checking for fires. It's gonna be every day of that. Every fucking day. This week is gonna be horrifying for tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of families who will be ripped outta their homes and thrown into transport vehicles and taken wherever, possibly to camps, possibly to countries that they haven't lived in as families for decades, maybe ever.
And, you know, that'll probably be on TV.
But this is what making America great looks like to, you know, about 77,284,118 people in this country, taking the rights away from women. This is what makes America great. This is what does it. It's a small price to pay, right? For people who just want their eggs to be cheaper on the backs of this kind of bullshit? But look, again, don't want to be negative. Just wanna say, hey, try to hold onto yourselves. Try to hold onto who you are. Try to get involved on a, you know, community level, on a state level. See if we can, you know, regroup something or, or hold the line in terms of just treating people with some fucking decency because the war on tolerance has been won.
And, you know, tolerance was the necessary lubricant for democracy to function. And I don't really even know what to do – well, you know – what to do with the 110 million people that didn't vote at all. But, you know, who knows? They're the wild card, I guess. But I do know, again, that 75 million plus people do not want this. And that's almost half, it's a difference of a couple million people. So we're out there, they're out there to try to, you know, do the right thing in their day-to-day life and probably, you know, try to do the right thing in, in the civic world of your community, of your state. And yeah, I don't really know what happens.
But look, you can still enjoy a nice, you know, a nice meal. You can still entertain yourself. You can still run your errands, you can still have your friends. Just try to hold onto your minds. Will you, could you try to take care of the people that are vulnerable in the way that you can?